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Intelligent design doesn't jive with the Torah and Quran

Posted by Matt M. on August 24, 2008 at 08:37 PM

I spend a lot of my free time reading about religion. Most of that time is on the features that make one religion different from another. That's why G. Willow Wilson's article on why intelligent design doesn't work in Islam and Judaism riveted me.

"The God of the Bible is omniscient and all-powerful, but the God of the Torah and the Quran is omnipresent and omniparticipant. This essential difference has led some religious scholars to draw a distinction between monotheism, the belief in one God, and monism, the belief in One."

The crux of her article is that Islam and Judaism are monistic (believe in One essence), and Christianity is monotheistic (believe in one God). That is the God of Islam and Judaism is an omnipresent essence of the universe. The God of Christianity is omniscient but limited to one all-powerful being. This is why iconography is forbidden in Islam and Judaism (because God is not part of our world) but very present in Christianity (because a local God interacts directly with people's lives). These fundamental differences play a role in whether a religion endorses intelligent design (ID) or not.

I think Mormonism actually finesses this point a bit. They have a recursive notion of God that allows him to be one being that is a part of universe, but also omnipresent and apart from the universe. Perhaps that's why Mormons don't seem to be leading the charge for ID?

She goes into more detail about how these differences impact ID. There's some really good stuff in there. G. Willow Wilson is a woman of many talents. She's writing a new comic book series called Air that I really enjoyed.

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Michael Pruitt

It is good to point out that certain forms of Islam and Judaism view God the same way. It is, however, equally fallacious to imply that all of Islam and Judaism share this belief while none of Christianity does.

The better line to draw, I believe, is between inerrancy and infallibility.

Proponents of ID seem to be all in the inerrantist camp, religion notwithstanding.

Inerrantists throughout history have been, IMO, Pharisees, Wahhabists, and Fundamentalists.

There are some Christians who espouse omninescience. (Or should that be "divine nescience"?)

From the wikipedia article: "...God knows everything that has been determined as well as what has not yet been determined but remains open. As such, he is able to anticipate the future, yet remains fluid to respond and react to prayer and decisions made either contrary or advantageous to His plan or presuppositions."

Michael Pruitt

Remind me not to write pre-coffee.

Restating the first paragraph: it is less than completely correct to imply all of Christianity is non-monistic; similarly, it is less than completely correct to imply all of Islam and Judaisism are monistic.

If one were to construct a two-by-two square, with the top two columns labeled "Objective" and "Subjective" and the left two columns labeled "Absolute" and "Relative", one would find that the close-minded belief systems can be placed into either the Objective-Absolute or Subjective-Relative boxes.

A similar Johari window can be composed with "Truthful - Untruthful" and "Honest - Dishonest" as the axes.

ID strikes me as truthful, yet dishonest. ID as seems to be practiced in America truthfully presupposes that all that is could have been made by an intelligent designer, but dishonestly hides their assumptions that there *is* an intelligent designer and that this intelligent designer is their personal flavor of God behind their truthful "we don't know."

Matt M.

Michael, I agree with you that Christianity and Judaism are not as black and white as she makes them out to be. That's why I mentioned the Mormons. I think she could have been more specific about which Christian, and Muslim groups fit into her bigger point.

I like her argument that ID fits in an icon heavy monotheistic religion. I'd never considered iconography or iconoclasm as traits that shape a religion.

Michael Pruitt

For further evidence of monism, check-out [a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shalom]shalom[/a], [a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salaam"]salaam[/a].

I can't find a convenient wiki link for the Christian version, charis kai eirene (KJV: "grace and peace" WGGV: "the gifts that give you reason for joy and the wholeness and completeness that comes with them")

For a Christian monist view, I'm listening to Bruce McLaren's [a href="http://marshill.org/teaching/index.php"]"Which Story Do You Live In?"[/a] (McLaren is seen by some accumulation monotheistic fundamentalists as the anti-christ. You have been warned.)

Hi.

I really love the way your posts express themselves in a way that we don't see enough on blogs nowadays.

Anyway, I know this is really off-topic, but I wanted to ask you about freshblogs - if you really don't want to continue it, may I use your domain? I love the way it sounds..

Thanks for your time, and sorry I couldn't find an email address - maybe delete 'Anyway' onwards?

Really interesting post. Thx

I read that article as well and found it really interesting becase the author make you think about the differces among relaigions and show the reader the real meaning of them...

A comparison of religions is good even if it can be dangerous. But it's always interesting to have such a good point on it. So i guess, thanks!

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